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« on: May 26, 2010, 07:02:44 PM »

It has come to my attention that there are many people who own rottweilers with natural tails that are apprehensive about showing in the AKC ring.  After receiving a call from a very sweet lady 5 states away asking advice on how to handle situations in the ring, I thought I would type up some advice for everyone who has that tailed dog and may want to show in AKC but is uncertain.

First of all, I must tell you, if you are looking for advice on handling, there are SEVERAL other people more qualified to help in that department.  If you do not know of anyone in your area, please contact Kim Cardona, www.vomdrakkenfels.com.  She may know of someone in your area that can help. 

Also understand that if you are looking for a professional handler to handle your dog, given the politics involved with this tailed rottweiler issue, many will not handle your dog because of it, regardless if they are personally supportive of natural tails.  Respect that.  Handlers rely on their client base and their rapport with judges for their living.  We can all understand and appreciate why they may not want to jeopardize that.

These suggestions are my opinions, based on my experiences and philosophies.  I do not propose to be an expert in showing a dog with a tail.  Most of it is common sense and what works for me.  Use this information as a base and as encouragement.

1.   MAKE IT FUN
Your dog as well as yourself.  Good advice whether your dog has a tail or not.  If your dog has a great time, his happiness will show.  Let’s face it.  You and your tailed rottweiler will get looked at, stared at, gawked at and naturally curious people will come up to you.  Be a good ambassador!  If your dog is happy, this is the first impression people will have.  I purposely give my dog is ball on a rope, which he lives for.  Once he has this toy, he is so happy he prances.  He thinks he is hot stuff and carries it all the way to our ring, showing the ball to admirers along the way.  When people see him, they smile.  Then I hear them turn to their friend and say, “Did you see that rottie with a tail?”   Mission accomplished.  People will remember the “rottie with a tail” in a positive way.

If you go to these events with just the expectation of having fun with your dog then you cannot be disappointed.  If you go with the expectation of winning everything, then you will most likely be disappointed.  Have the right attitude:  optimistic but realistic.  Know that we have an uphill battle in changing opinions.   Reality is that not everyone will appreciate our tailed dog, including some judges.  It is sometimes easy for people to pick on the odd man out, especially if you are cowering in the corner. Don’t!  Smile; say hi to people, even if you do not know them.  It is much harder for people to be rude to someone who is smiling and being nice. If you get rude comments, ignore them and move on.  Don’t let ignorant or opinionated people ruin your day of fun with your dog.  Do not try to argue with them because there are some people that we can never change their mind.  It would only be lowering yourself to their pettiness anyway.  I can say for the time that I have been showing my tailed dog, I have not had one person say anything negative to my face.  Have they behind my back, most certainly.  Do I care?  No.  For those that come up to you with questions about the tail, be gracious and answer them as best you can.  Brush up on your breed’s history and the reason why the tails were docked in the first place.

2.   HAVE MANNERS
Advice for both of you.  Again, like it or not, all eyes will be watching you and your dog.  Make sure your dog is ready for the ring.  Make sure your dog is social.  Yes, we all know that most of us that have tailed dogs probably plan on doing something in a working sport.  There is no need to have a wild and crazy dog that goes after everything that moves to prove your point.  And the AKC venue is not the place for it at all.  Also make sure your dog allows someone to go over it VERY THOROUGHLY.  I recently had a judge want to feel/see every tooth in my dog’s mouth.  That is fine. Our standard states that any missing teeth is a disqualifying factor.  I have no problem with that.  However, she was not just being a really thorough judge, since I did not see her do this to all the other dogs.  She was looking for any reason (teeth or temperament) to disqualify my dog so she would not have to make an award decision. Sometimes our dogs will be scrutinized at a higher degree than others.  Make sure your dog is ready for the task.  Make sure you are ready to accept it as well.  Is it necessarily fair, no – but it is something we just have to deal with. 

3.   KNOW YOUR STANDARD
This should be a given, however, make sure you really know it, especially the description of the tail.  Like I said, our dogs will sometimes be more scrutinized than others.  Some judges will try to find any other reason to disqualify your dog or withhold an award. 

4.   KNOW YOUR JUDGES
When possible.  If there are judges that have gone on record as opposed to natural tails, do not give them your support by entering.  I have started to compile a list of “tail-friendly” (or at least tail-tolerant) judges and judges that are anti-tail under separate cover.  If you are unsure about a judge’s position, you will never know until you try, right?

5.   JOIN THE BREED CLUB
So many people complain about the world’s problems but have no suggestions on how to fix them.  So many people complain about elected officials, yet are not even registered to vote. Be part of the solution, not the problem.  Join the American Rottweiler Club and become a voice for tails.  We can never have a chance for change standing in the sideline bitching about it.  Be proactive.  If they host an event including tails, like the Nationals this year, support it.  If you cannot attend, donate trophy money or something else making sure they know the only reason you are supporting at that time is because they have opening that event to tailed dogs.  How can we expect change if the majority of the membership of our own breed club wants to remain a docked breed. 

IF THE JUDGE WITHHOLDS THEIR AWARD
BE COURTEOUS!  It is written in the regulations governing dog shows that a judge may withhold an award to any dog if they wish.  It is their right.  If the judge does not give a reason you may ask (in a polite un-confrontational way):  “May I ask why?”  DO NOT ask “Is it because lack of merit?”  Do not give them the easy route out.  If the answer is due to lack of merit; politely ask them if they could elaborate.  Thank them for their consideration and ring time.  Always remember that people will be watching “the dog with a tail”.  Arguing with the judge will get you nowhere.  It is their opinion and they are entitled to it.  Leaving the ring in a huff and/or throwing a temper-tantrum will not further the cause either.  By entering an AKC event, we have agreed to a code of conduct and sportsmanship.  Think of the whole experience as a paid training session.  Evaluate the day by how well your dog performed, not by the ribbons you receive.

IF THE JUDGE EXCUSES YOU FROM THE RING
Is it fair: no.  Should you confront or argue with the judge: no.  The ring is NOT the place for it.  Should your complaint go on record: Absolutely!  But file a complaint to the right people, through the proper channels.  As written above, be polite and courteous (even if you are seething) while in the ring.  After you exit, you may go to the superintendent’s table and ask to speak to an AKC representative.  Know that they will almost always support their judge.  Write a letter to, at the very least, the President of the American Rottweiler Club, the AKC Judging Department and the club hosting the show expressing your dissatisfaction in the judge’s performance and interpretation of the breed standard.  Make the letter professional.  Do not make the letter a personal attack on the judge just because he/she excused you from the ring. They will just chalk it up to poor sportsmanship.  Key points to include in your letter are the ambiguity in the standard as written leaving it open for interpretation.  Quote the first and second sentence of the tail description, which are contradictory.  Explain that there is a need for a standard revision.  Point out that there are AKC Champions on record that have natural tails (at this time five (5) of them).  We would just like the right to be judged, like any other rottweiler, without prejudice.


Most of all – DON”T GIVE UP!  Continue to show your dog with a natural tail.  Of course, It is also much easier if you have friends at the events to support you.  I have a beautiful group of friends for support and I appreciate them with all my heart.

Again, most of this is common sense and I hope some of it is helpful.  I am sure that there are many people who can add their wisdom to this topic.
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 11:48:41 PM »

You have a whole world open with many events outside the AKC event for conformation.  There are more championships besides that one and so far the AKC is the only one that has not complied with the changes needed to stay as one solid breed.  If you join the ARC you will have a voice to help make that change for your country.  Canada did it...without any problems and now our dogs can go over there with tails and compete....and and ALL FCI shows hosted will allow both Docked (according to country of origin) and tailed dogs per the FCI rules.  The AKC will change....but as she stated it is a good idea to help open the door.  Everytime a tailed dog walks in it opens the door alittle bit more.  On one of the largest and most competive 4 day events in the US....the Peach Blossom in Perry, GA we went with tails, were not excused and were not the only ones to display there with positives from the judges and the spectators.

Canada also got rid of another more important allowed fault in our breed...Missing teeth.  I think we need to serious look at how they made the change...and become pro choice.

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2010, 07:07:57 AM »

Very well said Denise.  I agree with you 100 percent.  We have shown our boy in AKC and so far the judges have been very gracious to us even awarding a Best of Opp to him.  Having or not having a tail does not make the dog, so I am all for changing the standard to accomodate both versions as Canada does.  It will take people stepping up to the plate and being willing to face the consequences  in the AKC ring to get the standard changed.  If no one does this then there is no reason to change it.  We were greeted by rude comments from a fellow exhibitor at one show, but after we talked to her about our situation and our desire to show both AKC and German style she understood the situation better.  She still disagreed with the tailed rotties, but at least she now had knowledge about a venue for showing that she did not know existed.  Everytime we walk into the ring we are taking a chance that we will be excused or ribbons withheld, but we also make a statement and pave the way to make it easier for the next tailed rottie owner to walk into the ring.  Thank you so much to the owners that have helped and will continue to help paving the way.
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2010, 07:36:18 AM »

I Forgot a VERY VERY IMPORTANT thing.  If you do get a judge that judges your dog without prejudice (i.e. places yor dog ahead of docked dogs) -
SEND THEM A THANK YOU FOR DOING SO! 
Let the judge know that given the hot topic within our breed that you appreciate them for judging your dog without prejudice and that you will support their future judging assignments with entries.  And then do so.  Just as it is not easy for us to be the "odd man out: It is not easy for judges to go against the grain either.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2010, 12:17:09 PM »

Denise,

Thank you for taking the time to write this Smiley!!!!  I am sure it will be read and appreciated by many.  So much of what you wrote could have come out of my mouth.  Here’s my two cents worth.  I apologize for it being jumbled.  I am on pain medicine so my thoughts tend to come out in a mess Tongue Tongue, LOLOLOL!!!!

The tail definitely raises curiosity.  I share my knowledge freely and my opinions with those that speak to me.  If something I say is my opinion, I make sure I state so Smiley.  If I don’t have the answer, I try to guide them to someone or a source that will.  I do not try to change their opinion, for they have a right to it..  I don’t preach and I don’t have an ‘attitude.’ 
Handle controversy graciously and respectfully.  Don’t pass judgment on others.  Manners and respect go a long way.  When I ask someone for information, I don’t have an alterior motive.  Speak genuinely and honestly.  For those that are nervous, have confidence, confidence, confidence Grin Grin!!!!  One thing that helped my nervousness is focusing ONLY on ‘the inside of the ring.’  No dog matters but mine.  I’m not there to determine if the dog in front of me is better than mine.  I am there to present my dog.  Worrying about others causes me to lose focus.  The only person you need to acknowledge is the judge Wink.  Do treat the other dogs & handlers with respect.  Don’t crowd them or run up on their dog.  I like to stop with extra room in front of me.  That way if the person behind me gets too close, I can move away.  I take every opportunity to stack my dog.  Like Denise said, the tailed dog will be watched Shocked.  My dog LOVES to free stack.  She should wear a sign ‘Will work for food! Cool’  Let every time they are watching my dog, let them see a beautifully stacked dog with ears up!  When I started out, I would sometimes tell judges that I was new at this, especially if I was fumbling Embarrassed.  I would sometimes repeat their directions to back to them when asked to show my dog’s movement.  This gave me a bit more time, helped my confidence and helped to ensure I’d go the right way or to do the right thing.

I can tell you from experience  Grin Roll Eyes, being excused isn’t all that bad or the end of the world.  I didn’t think of it as embarrassing either.  I’ve only been excused once.  One thing that I remember is that I had more chances to stack my dog in that ring than I ever have Grin.  Last year, a handler told me what to say and what to do if I was excused.  He had experience in that area, LOLOL!!!!  (Not Rotties though.)  I did my best to remember what he said.  Unfortunately, I unwittingly gave the judge an ‘out’ Sad.  Larry Mackai is the judge that excused me this year at the Kentuckiana Cluster.  He stated to me that he was excusing my dog because she had a tail.  I replied that I understand that I could be excused for lack of merit, but not because my dog has a tail.  Guess what he put on the tear off sheet?  Lack of merit – Tail on Rott Roll Eyes Roll Eyes .  Though I wasn’t able to copy the tear off sheet, I did the next best thing.  I took a picture of it with my cell phone (then I went back and took a pic with my camera Wink.)  This isn’t the first time I used my camera for a recording device.  Once I took photos of plumbing so I knew what to buy at the supply store.  Another time I taped yard sticks to the entertainment center so we knew just how big of a TV we could actually buy.  Both times it paid off in spades Grin.  Like Denise said, know your standard.  I repeated the tail part verbatim to the superintendent and am very glad I did Grin.

I should have practiced more what I was going to say if I was ever excused Sad.  Writing it down would have helped me, for I am a visual learner.  Honestly, I never went in the ring expecting to be excused so it caught me a bit by surprise Shocked.  That’s another thing, never go in expecting to be excused.  Go in believeing that you will be in there the entire class.  According to an acute observer, the judge didn’t realize my dog had a tail until I did the down and back.  I believe they were correct, not that it really matters.  Did I continue to show my tailed dog?  You betcha’ Smiley!!!  I have this philosophy with a lot of things in my life:  As long as I am not infringing on someone else’s rights, not breaking any laws or rules or being disrespectful, I will continue to do whatever it is I am doing.  My dog and I enter the ring and both of us are well groomed and well behaved. 
Yep, my dog looks different than most Rotties in the ring.  Not just because of her tail, but because of a few other reasons.  First, I show her in working weight.  If the judge can’t differentiate between bone and substance versus fat, I don’t want a placement from them.  I refuse to jeopardize my dog’s health with extra weight on her body.  Also, she can’t perform as well with the extra weight in everything she does outside of the ring.  Time in the show ring is just a tiny part of her day, not to mention her life.  Second, the standard states:  “The Rottweiler is to be exhibited in the natural condition, with no trimming.”  So, I don’t do any trimming Grin.  No artificial coloring of any kind is put on her coat or markings either.  We go in the show ring au naturale, tail included.  In my opinion, trimming and artificially coloring simply does a disservice to the dog.  Third, I am not a professional handler.  The judges don’t know me and I don’t know them.  IMHO, there are judges who place dogs based on who the handler is.  That is not a judge who I want a placement from. FYI, some shows offer Amateur-Owner-Handler classes in addition to the regular classes (Bred by, Am bred, open, etc.) which can be a great opportunity Grin.  Yeah, I know there are several Rotts shown that have are carrying extra weight and have been trimmed, dyed, etc.  Those folks make their choices, just different ones than I do.  Just like getting used to seeing a tailed dog, maybe more people will decide to take natural, fit dogs into the ring.  Who says the judge wants them fat and unnatural? JMO.

Show clothes don’t have to be expensive.  Since I hate  >:(dresses/skirts, I prefer to wear pants, shirt and a jacket.  I think a well-fitting jacket helps complete the picture instead of just a shirt.  I have had a bit of trouble finding a jacket with pockets.  I don’t want to have to lift the jacket up to get to my pants pockets.  I put bait in both pockets.  I tear some of into tiny pieces and leave some in larger chewy chunks.  I don’t like to cook, so I don’t make bait.  I have found the dehydrated chicken breast to work well. 

AKC events GREATLY outnumber ANY other venue within a 5 hour drive from me.  It took some time for us to get used to seeing Rotties with tails.  I feel it may be the same for some others in the AKC world. Wink 

I have a lot to learn about showing a dog.  I take every opportunity that I can to learn.  Some shows have junior handling seminars.  Since I am an adult, I can’t participate, but you can bet your bottom dollar that I have been ringside listening to what the juniors were being taught Grin.

I find a professional handler whom I like and go to their crating area.  I try to find a time where they are not heading to the ring.  I wait until they acknowledge me so I don’t disturb their routine or simply their train of thought.  I ask if they would be give me a handling lesson and what the fee is.  One person last year was particularly helpful.  I thanked them profusely.   They said something that I feel is important.  They said so many people simply interrupt their time and then ask for information.  However, the person doesn’t really want information, but instead are really wanting the handler to voice their opinion and then try to argue.  This person appreciated the fact that I was simply wanting to learn.

I am still consider myself new at this.  I am hoping that by sharing my experiences that it will help someone.  It wouldn’t hurt my feelings either if someone reading this saw error in my ways and shared something that helped me.  I am a pretty open-minded kinda gal  Grin Grin.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 12:26:00 PM »

Because my other post was soooo looonnng, I decided to post the following separately  Grin Grin.
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Here is what happened to me and I’ve condensed it the best I could.  Last year I entered my tailed bitch all four days in the Kentuckiana Cluster in Louisville, Kentucky.  It is a HUGE show.  There are four obedience rings and twenty-five conformation rings.  There are also three full size agility rings as well.  Conformation entries for this year were the following: Thursday 2,781 (37 Rotts), Friday 3,386 (38 Rotts), Saturday 3,403 (37 Rotts) and Sunday 3,396 (35 Rotts).  Last year, the numbers were up slightly Thurs. 2,820, Fri. 3,440, Sat. 3,810, & Sun. 3,563.  Many of the dogs shown there also show at Eukanuba and Westminster. 
Through a fellow tailed Rott owner, I found a Rott handler to show my dog.  Communicated with them through both phone & email.  Handler didn’t show up.  I had spoken to them the night before the show and they said they were going thru security at the airport, which ended up obviously being a lie.  So there I am one hour before showtime with no handler Huh.  I only knew ONE person there and I was lucky enough to find them Grin.  I had spoken to them four years ago to help me find another Rottie.  I had seen him twice since.  Told him my predicament .  He’s a pro handler (though not Rotts anymore) and in process of becoming a judge.  Stated politely he wouldn’t show her because of tail.  He introduced me to Rott handlers individually who each replied that they wouldn’t handle her because of tail.  One handler took my cell phone number in case she found someone.  Then one of the Rott handlers, Perry Payson, asked Gabriel Rangel, (The guy who won Westminster Eukanuba this year with Sadie, the Scottish Terrier) if he knew of anyone.  He did and his assistant personally escorted me to them Smiley.  I also got a call from the handler who took my cell number.  They’d found somebody.  Great!!!!  I set up this person for Fri. Grin  Thursday’s judge made comments to handler about tail controversy, and handler had a great Smiley, but polite reply.  Neither handler could show her on weekend R/T schedule conflicts.  Thurs. afternoon went to Mr. Payson again for assistance.  He found pro handlers who were husband and wife and after speaking to them, I was set for Sat. & Sun Grin.  Fri showing went fine.  That evening, went to handler’s create area to confirm times for weekend.  After waiting about ½ hour, the wife shows up and states that neither of them will handle tailed Rott because even though neither of them are known as Rott handlers, they stated they would lose business.  It’s 5 pm and most everybody has left for the day Sad.  Due to all the stress, I am now in tears Cry.  I turn around and notice Mr. Payson is still there.  I approach him and he squeezes my shoulders and says, “Don’t worry.  I’ll find someone,” and he’s off in a flash.  First handler has schedule conflict, but would not have minded at all.  Said they’d shown other dogs with traits not addressed in standard or weren’t welcomed in the ring.  Told me what to say and do if excused.  Second handler, Scott Yergin, took a close look at her and said easy dog for novice like me to show and encouraged me to show her.  I’m telling ya’, it took A LOT of encouragement.  I went to Wal-Mart on the way home to buy some clothes.  I bought a jacket (it was even on clearance Smiley), pair of flat dress shoes, and a nice shirt.  I showed my girl myself the next two days and I’ve never looked back since Grin Grin Grin.
(BTW, the only Rottie handlers in this story were those spoken to on Thursday morning and Mr. Payson.)

Support. 
Due to my beliefs regarding confidentiality, I won’t go into detail on a public forum about discussions I had with some of the handlers both past and present.  This statement sums it up pretty well: Privately I received great support (for both me and my tailed dog), but not publicly.  I respect them for that and harbor NO bad feelings Smiley.  Honestly, I have been in awe of the amount of support from complete strangers both in and out of the ring who have no vested interest in doing so.  Maybe since I am that kind of person, it’s just being returned to me.  It doesn’t really matter to me why.  I am simply grateful Smiley.  I’ve been amazed at the number of people who tracked me down to speak with me.  So for those of you with tailed Rotts, you, like me, may just be surprised at the support you’ll get.  Though no one has cheered for my dog in the ring, that’s okay.  They haven’t ‘booed’ me either.  No matter because I’m not there for them.  I am there for me and my dog Grin Grin.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 06:39:20 PM »

thats a very nice story and made me smile!!!.....like the rottweiler what courage you showed that day, must be why they say the breed is a womans breed!
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 07:51:09 PM »

Thanks you 2 for all the words of encourangement...and Denise I have sorted my login out on Rottweiler.net if you wish to post under my name for vom Drakkenfels you can.  I don't know why your post didn't make it on there but by damned you should copy and paste it there.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 10:02:57 PM »

Kimmy,
The moderator on that site has to approve posts by new members before they will appear.  I'm not sure what determines the need for pre-approval to be unnecessary.  I've read posts on that site and some members can be brutal!!!
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 12:28:01 PM »

Thanks Rottieoholic!  I'm glad you enjoyed my story.  I guess I did show some courage.  My husband would just tell you I’m CRAZY, LOL.  A few days before the show last year, I was told by a longtime exhibitor that other than Westminster and Eukanuba, it is the biggest show in the U.S Shocked.  Heck, I had always just thought of it as 'the dog show at the fairgrounds'  Tongue Grin Grin.  Then I did question my decision to enter my tailed dog.  I decided well, since it is a very large show, what a better place to do it.  Simply give all of those people the opportunity to see their first tailed Rottie.  Also, I wondered if I was making history.  Wonder if she was the first tailed Rott to be shown at the Cluster.  And, lastly, I know the fairgrounds like the back of my hand (parking, restrooms, etc.) so that helped my comfort level too.  All those things together squashed my worries Wink and increased my excitement.  Ya’ know, I don’t think of my girl as the Rottie with a tail.  I just think of her as our wonderful Rottenweiler!

I unknowingly put a ‘spy’ ringside this year.  I was excused on Saturday.  As I approached the ring on Sun., it seemed there was more people around the ring than before.  I did overhear a few comments as I made my way through the crowd to the steward’s table: “There’s that tailed dog,” “She showed up AGAIN today,” “Wonder what they will do with her today.”  My husband, aka ‘spy’, had headed to the ring before I did was on the other side and heard his share of comments as well.  NEWSFLASH to those folks:  I fully intend to grace the fairgrounds with Haila and I’s presence in 2011! Grin

BTW, this year, there were incidences at AKC shows prior to the Cluster.  Ground glass was placed outside of the rings at one show.   :oAt another, antifreeze was put in dogs’ bowls.  This wasn’t gossip.  I spoke to people who were at both shows who confirmed it was true.  At the agility competition this year, there was a warning on the registration table that the animal rights people were present and to watch your dogs closely.  Other than me going to the bathroom, I never leave my dog unattended.  I cover her crate and put padlocks on it when I do.  Unfortunately, there are folks out there that don’t agree that dogs should be shown, others that dislike Rottweilers, and some that aren’t very happy about tailed Rotties.

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 01:12:43 PM »

Makes you feel all "Warm and Fuzzy" for the human race - doesn't it?  And people wonder why I love my dogs so much......
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2010, 11:00:25 PM »

Denise,
You can say that again!!!!  Your post made me think of a book I saw once, "Why I'd Rather Date My Dog - Musings for Savy Singles" "compares our human dates with our canine companions and explains why the dogs outclass the competition - paws down." Grin
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 11:40:53 PM »

I'm not sure if this should be posted here so elsewhere.  Feel free to move it Smiley.

I thought there are five AKC champions with tails.  I know of Friendly Dutch Ljsven, Djuke vom Vilstaler Land, and Karthago vom Vilstaler Land.  Who are the others?

I've had a LOT of time on my hands lately.  (My husband says that's dangerous, LOL!!!)  I wanted to know who put up these tailed dogs.  I couldn't find anything on Dutch.  This is what I found for Djuke and Karthago.  Other than one show in WI with FCI judges judging at an AKC show, their wins were at shows in Puerto Rico.  Though the shows were in PR, most of the judges reside in the states: Mr. R.D. Sharp, Mr. A. Berrios, Mrs. T.L. Berrios, and Col. J.B. Purkhiser.  (From another post, Lew Olson, Catherine Thompson, and Joe Hedl put Dutch up.)

I then searched to see when these judges were judging Rotts this year.  Though who konws if they will place tailed dogs here in the states, but it might be worth a try.  Sharp is judging in Orlando on December 17, other states TX, CT, OR, CA.  Mr. Berrios is judging in Oberlein, OH on Aug. 15, other states MA, MS, MD, IL.  Mrs. Berrios is judging in Columbus, OH on Nov. 21, other states MA, TX, IL.  Col. Purkhiser is judging in WI.  Mrs. Thompson is judging in MT and PA.  No future assignments were listed for Mr. Hedl or Ms. Olson.
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